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What's the
advantage of Chikara over the other L-S products - does it generate hits in a different way from the others? (I know
the selling points of TE/m, AE/m, SOE).
Also, Perception doesn't seem to be mentioned very much & is cheaper.
Its ratios of 'mones seems good & it had some good reviews in the L-S web site buying section but what are
peoples' real views on it. Thanks.
Some people cannot use things
like TE/NPA. Chikara is a little more sexual than SoE (according to common perceptions), contains 7 mones and is a
pretty good product. It is someplace between A7 and SoE. I like it as well as SoE and do not get the -none OD from
it like I do Primal or TE.
Perception is pretty low in pheromone concentration and many people get no results
with it at all. It does do a good job as an extender when you apply it over other mones. They disperse slowly and
stay around a lot longer.
Gee, am I the only person left in
the world that actually likes Perception? :)
I will say, though, that I only get results with it if I use a full
gel pack, but to me that makes sense. My "effective" dose range with other products seems to be 30mcg None and 40mcg
Nol.
With a full gel pack of Perception I hit my Nol level and get 20mcg of None and Rone...
I wore it to
my work Christmas Party just last Friday and had two very cute waitresses be very attentive.
I can't
comment on Chikara, though, as I haven't used it enough to judge.
Different products affect different
people (both wearer and targets) in different ways.
I know I get more of an "upbeat" interaction with at least
one of my primary "test subject" friends when I wear Chikara (more arm hits, more conversation, more smiles, more
interaction).
Perception on the other hand has given me next to nothing except for *possibly* a reaction from a
middle aged female clerk while I was wearing a full gel-pack. She asked if the woman friend I as with was my mother.
Granted friend was an older woman, but she was only about *5 years* older than I. It's possible the pheromone mix
of Perception was creating a more "youthful" vibe (and if you will excuse the semi-intentional play on words) her
"perception" of me as being a fair amount younger than I am. So it's possible that Perception may serve some of us
older guys who are seeking to "appear" younger and a bit more "virile" to women.
(Virile =
1. having the
nature, properties, or qualities of an adult male specifically capable of functioning as a male in copulation
2.
energetic, vigorous
3 a. a characteristic of or associated with men : masculine b. b having traditionally
masculine traits especially to a marked degree
4. masterful, forceful)
I wanted to like Perception, but
it never worked for me. I only tried the gel packs since they came free, but I was let down. I did use them only
when I was pretty new to pheromones so that might have affected the testing, but having so many other choices,
perception remains at the bottom of my list.
You mean A7 isQuote:
Originally Posted by belgareth
more sexual than Chikara? http://img.imagebaskets.com/img/u/d.gif
A7 is much heavier in
androsteNone than Chikara, and contains a bit of Rone. Chikara is steered and buffered with a lot of "secret"
stuff, and is more social.
Interesting
I'm a complete newbie and was wondering if upping the dosage of Perception would help -- using
a whole gel pack or even more instead of 1/2? Any dangers to this?
What about combining with
TE?
Thank you
The only time I even think I got a reaction/response when usingQuote:
Originally Posted by svpppljutf
Perception gels was after I tried an entire packet. Worth a try.
Perception already has androstenone in it, so
adding more in the form of The Edge *may* cause an OD, but then again given the poor response I've gotten with
Percerption, it may help...
If nothing else, applying Perception OVER TE will help the TE last longer. The
"extender" part of the Perception carrier does seem to work okay.
A whole gel pkt would give you 20 mcg ofQuote:
Originally Posted by svpppljutf
Androstenone, which could be on the OD side for some users, especially young
guys.
I would say give the 1/2 pkt a run for awhile,
before proceeding to the whole pkt.
If you notice that
the 1/2 pack is a little none heavy for the young girls then try adding 1/2 pkt SOE for that
date.
i tried two of the
perception gel packs and didn't notice any reactions. although, there was one occasion when i had a whole pack on
at the grocery store and an older man in his seventies looked at me like i was from a different planet, but thats
about it. chikara by itself doesn't do anything for me, i have to layer it with something else like TE or SOE to
really notice anything from it.
I also do not get anything from ChikaraQuote:
Originally Posted by 5alphareductase
alone.
I find TE sorta
fair.
But i have had some rock solid hits with Chikara
@ 2 sp + TE @ 1 sp so figre that ha ha.
Years ago i
noticed zilch from my PI unscented, and also nix from my Perception
pks.
So one day i met up with a girl to purchase her
cell phone, and just about as soon as she opened her door till the time i broke free from her she was staring at me
with open mouth dihl she was upset that i had to leave, never met her before
this.
What i had on was 1 dr PI + 1/2 pkt Perception,
so once again, go figre ?? :think:
Both me and my "target" are in the lower 30s -- what would you think is goodQuote:
Originally Posted by terry0400-40
in that case? (I also have a longer post with questions at
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Thank you
If all you have available is Perception then you may asQuote:
Originally Posted by svpppljutf
well use it up and see if it enhances your pheromone signature. ( see if it works for you
)
Start testing with 1/2
pack.
Few sprays of cologne first, wait until is dry
then softly apply Perception.
You may go up to one
full pkt if you dont notice decent reactions from the 1/2.
Remember to have a good wash of the application sites between
uses.
Thank you
terry0400-40
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Originally Posted by svpppljutf
]You are always welcome, If the search feature does not give you any satisfactory answers, then there is the
collective knowledge and experience of forum members to give a gentle bump.:whip: [/COLOR]
:thumbsup:
By the way, do
you have any comments on the following:
Recently ordered Perception gel packs (which also came with
TE freebie gel pack).
Now this may sound like a completely stupid question, but how does one exactly
rub (& how hard) in the gel and how does one make sure to use only half the pack per application?
My
plan:
-- Given that it's a cold winter and I'll be wearing a scarf, a coat and probably gloves, I plan to apply
to the jaw/below ear/near neck area on both sides. Have people ever tried applying to either the chin, below the
chin or the forehead?
-- Would you recommend washing the area first? First of all, I intend to apply the gel in
the evening, so would washing with a fragrant shower gel in the morning be of any help/hurt/no difference -- what
about Armani Code shower gel?
-- I plan to briefly wash/lightly dab the areas with water, dry with towel
and then apply a cologne (thinking of starting off with Acqua di Gio, or maybe an Acqua di Gio
knockoff).
-- Should I wait some amount of time before applying the gel after the cologne -- I believe I have
read here some recommending to wait until the alcohol dries -- how long does that usually take?
-- Then, I plan
to apply the gel -- the big question is how? I don't mean to sound stupid, but exactly how do I apply --
squeeze some of the gel out on my finger and rub in a circular/back and forth fashion in the target spot? For how
long should I rub? How do I know whether I'm using half the pack or more or less? Can I just put the remaining pack
in a drawer without attempting to close the pack in any way (I'm afraid if I'll close it, I'll accidentally
squeeze out more). Also, when I'm done, do I need to wash my hands -- can I try to rub whatever remains on my
fingers into my hair (and if so, should I have sprayed my hair with cologne first)?
-- What if I use half the
pack and feel it's not enough -- is it okay to use more -- what are the dangers of using more? Supposedly, I won't
OD since this is Perception. Is the only danger possible bad smell, and if so, can I just use an extra spray
of cologne?
-- Also, since I also got TE gel pack too, do you recommend mixing with Perception? If
so, in what proportion and what should the total amount of gel be?
-- Lastly, how come Perception (unlike
TE for example) doesn't list their ingredients? Does anyone know what they are? Does BDC Concepts
(or other manufactures) have a web site?
I'm:
a complete newbie, hetero male, about 5' 3''
+, about 135 lbs, white/Jewish, currently am in the greater metropolitan New York City
area, and my "target" is a female of my age (low 30s) with whom I went to school (we knew each other and were
friendly, but were more acquaintances than friends there) -- have barely kept in touch since then but starting a few
months ago started hanging out -- want to ask her out now :lovestruc
Thank you very much from an
eager newbie
Quote:
Originally Posted by terry0400-40
You can rub it in like your
would a hand lotion. A few drops of the gel on your arms or where ever your applying and rub it in until you think
its spread around enough. It will dry and absorb pretty quickly.
Acqua Di Gio is a good smelling cover scent.
There's been some discussion on different ways of layering the mones and cover. You might try something along the
lines of spray the cover scent. Then wait a few mins for it to dry. Then apply the mones. Wait for it to dry. And
then, if you think needed, another layer of the cover scent until you think it smells right.
Some comments...
You don't
really need to over-analyze this or worry about so many things. The best strategy is to maintain your current way
of doing anything, and see how the pheromones will make a difference.
If you understand that the use of
pheromones is an art form based on limited scientific research, you'll understand the importance of your own
experimentation. Each of us is different, and no amount of advice, other than very general advice, will give you
the knowledge you need to find your best application.
Think of it as learning to drive, you can learn the basics
here, but you'll have to actually get on the road to know what you're doing.
ReQuote:
Originally Posted by svpppljutf
Perception, It contains an Androstenol/Androsterone/Androstenone
ratio of 2:1:1 Therefore a gel/pkt containing .08mg/ml would supply 80mcg of pheromones
in 1ml gel,
Which equates to Nol 40 mcg, Rone 20
mcg, aNONE, 20 mcg.
If using 1/2 pkt perception
then i would not plan on adding any TE gel at the moment and certainly not till you can understand the dynamics of
your Perception applications.
If you eventually come
to the conclusion that you need some added sexual tension then go use the full Perception gel/pkt, as that will
provide 20 mcg aNONE which should do.
Probably
keep your TE gel/pks and test these alone so as to get an idea of your aNONE
requirements,
Start of light when testing out TE
because the new pkts contain .08 mg Androstenone including secret ingredients in 1 ml Gel., thats 80 mcg per pkt so
you can start off testing with 1/5 - 1/4 pkt when testing alone, Like 1/5 of a gel/pkt is about equal in pheromone
quantity as one spray off Edge Sandlewood = 16 or 17 mcg.