annoyed, of england.

....annoyed

because i never kept notes of my successful phero use 2003-2004.

this 2 year period i had huge successes but

cant put my finger on specifically what i was using:(( i had girls declaring undying love on our first dates and

others just had to come out with how good i smelled.

i KNOW i tried SoE, AE, NPA, APC among others.

i

also know that quite often i used a Gucci cover scent this must have been with the unscented pheros. i think, i

may have combined two fragrances and STILL got results.

the past couple of years i've had little success

with A7 and NPA and APC though have had limited opportunities to try them out.

in 2008 i had two girls i

already knew in quick succession and was using unscented SoE. i dont honestly know if it was me or the SoE because

i already had these girls under my spell in the past.

a little about me: i used to come over very confident,

cute, funny (often clumsy and comedic) and younger than my years.

it's a long time since i last tried to

pull a girl, other issues in life have distracted me somewhat and now i'm ready to try again.

i think i'm

less confident now, have lost my youthful good looks (i'm 38) and want to appear younger and more confident. i am

totally NOT an alpha male.

should i be looking at something like AE which has all 3 pheromones to seem

younger and approachable or what should i do?

i've had a completely mixed bag with NPA i think i'm gonna

avoid it i know it's worked in the past but has also been a turn-off. i know the APC and the AE worked sometimes

and the jury is open on the A7 it seemed to bring me closer to two girls but ultimately they werent interested but

found me approachable and funny.

sorry, this mail is getting long isnt it? in conclusion i want to appear

younger and attract girls in the 24-29 age group and have more of an aura of confidence which has taken a nose-dive

of late.

shall i go back to AE or what else could you suggest?

really appreciate the feedback, thanks,

neil

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Originally Posted by neiltrain2

....annoyed because i never kept notes of my successful phero use 2003-2004.

this 2

year period i had huge successes but cant put my finger on specifically what i was using:(( i had girls declaring

undying love on our first dates and others just had to come out with how good i smelled.

i KNOW i tried SoE, AE,

NPA, APC among others.

i also know that quite often i used a Gucci cover scent this must have been with the

unscented pheros. i think, i may have combined two fragrances and STILL got results.

the past couple of years

i've had little success with A7 and NPA and APC though have had limited opportunities to try them out.

in 2008

i had two girls i already knew in quick succession and was using unscented SoE. i dont honestly know if it was me or

the SoE because i already had these girls under my spell in the past.

a little about me: i used to come over

very confident, cute, funny (often clumsy and comedic) and younger than my years.

it's a long time since i last

tried to pull a girl, other issues in life have distracted me somewhat and now i'm ready to try again.

i think

i'm less confident now, have lost my youthful good looks (i'm 38) and want to appear younger and more confident. i

am totally NOT an alpha male.

should i be looking at something like AE which has all 3 pheromones to seem

younger and approachable or what should i do?

i've had a completely mixed bag with NPA i think i'm gonna avoid

it i know it's worked in the past but has also been a turn-off. i know the APC and the AE worked sometimes and the

jury is open on the A7 it seemed to bring me closer to two girls but ultimately they werent interested but found me

approachable and funny.

sorry, this mail is getting long isnt it? in conclusion i want to appear younger and

attract girls in the 24-29 age group and have more of an aura of confidence which has taken a nose-dive of late.



shall i go back to AE or what else could you suggest?

really appreciate the feedback, thanks,

neil

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It seems that SOE does continue to work behind the scenes in the

youthfull attraction good time stakes and i would continue on with its use and possably use a dab or a drop of Alpha

7 into the applications so as too establish your self as more than a

friend.



Even Chikara i dont get much from it alone but it can become active at two

sprays when a little A7 is added in to the applications, and thus give out the young fresh and appealing vibe.





I am using Gucci Pour Homme sometimes as i enjoy its fragrance more than

them them that are exposed to it, but i find that young females do like sweeter type of fragrance when used over my

pheromones.

I find that A Men Angel by Thierry

Mugler__ is well accepted also by female recipients :thumbsup:

i'm not sure i've ever

attracted anyone NEW with SoE just girls i'd known a while and had already pulled before.

that's why i

wondered about AE? it contains all 3 and i know it's worked in the past.

what would be best to come across

as youthful yet confident and break the ice, fast? shame there are so many products, soooo

confusing:(

thanks once again

Quote:

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Originally Posted by neiltrain2

i'm not sure i've ever attracted anyone NEW with SoE just girls i'd known a while and

had already pulled before.

that's why i wondered about AE? it contains all 3 and i know it's worked in the

past.

what would be best to come across as youthful yet confident and break the ice, fast? shame there are so

many products, soooo confusing:(

thanks once again

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Yes Neil AE is ok

and there is no doubt in my mind at all that it produces an attractive and youthfull vibe as i have experienced this

effect first hand and it is delightfull when AE turns its magic charm on, i dont get consistant hits with EA but

when it works its amazing and for me, hot weather gets it acting in fine style yep a great performer.

thanks. i think i'll try

it again. really wish all those years ago i'd kept notes of what worked. it's why i'm tempted to cover all the

bases and get something with the three main 'mones incorporated.

what else would you say makes you seem

youthful and approachable/build trust/chattiness?

i'm guessing nothing with just NONE would work would

they.......

Quote:

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Originally Posted by neiltrain2

thanks. i think i'll try it again. really wish all those years ago i'd kept notes of

what worked. it's why i'm tempted to cover all the bases and get something with the three main 'mones

incorporated.

what else would you say makes you seem youthful and approachable/build trust/chattiness?

i'm

guessing nothing with just NONE would work would they.......

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You could

always make up your own custom mix by using some Beta Androstenol ( for chattiness ) and mix say 30 mcg of it in

with around 3 drops of SOE that would give you around 60 mcg of total Androstenols and 8 mcg Androsterone which is

just enough rone to give you a trust and gentleman vibe and still keep the mix fresh/youthfull.



You could expand on this mix anytime by adding in a

drop of Alpha 7 or 2 dr NPA ect just enough to add a little heat and keep you outa the friends

zone.

To expand on this mix even further to make it

extra woman attractive just add one or two drops of Androstadienone concentrate.

I find that A Men Angel by

Thierry Mugler__ is well accepted also by female recipients.

That is so true terry Angel is da bomb,

what do you mean "keep outta

the friend zone" do you mean that no NONE = no sex? (just to get right down to the important issues

here!)

and what are the advantages of "Androstadienone" ive hardly heard that mentioned

before...........

to be honest i used to do chemistry sets but these days i'm getting lazy hence AE being an

option i've got all bases covered so to speak.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by neiltrain2

what do you mean "keep outta the friend zone" do you mean that no NONE = no sex? (just to

get right down to the important issues here!)

and what are the advantages of "Androstadienone" ive hardly heard

that mentioned before...........

to be honest i used to do chemistry sets but these days i'm getting lazy hence

AE being an option i've got all bases covered so to speak.

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Sure by all

means stick with the AE if ya dont want the bother of messing around with drops and many numerous

products.

Well any super friendly chatty Androstenol

mix is a great attractive social lubricant and can certainly put you in the trusted friend circle but not

necessarily make you sexually exciting unless you put in the extra pu work.



By adding in the Androstenone factor it creates a

better sexual or masculine vibe that says this guy is a Hot spunk, and therefore better chances of scoring with

suitable femme types ect....

thanks. i just wish i'd

taken notes during my heyday 2003-2004. attracted a lot of younger women and i cant remember for the life of me

which products worked best. might go back to experimenting and trying AE and APC again.

what does this

Androstadienone do?

Quote:

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Originally Posted by neiltrain2

thanks. i just wish i'd taken notes during my heyday 2003-2004. attracted a lot of

younger women and i cant remember for the life of me which products worked best. might go back to experimenting and

trying AE and APC again.

what does this Androstadienone do?

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Neil the

Androstadienone can work to put a female at ease and relax her is is especially good to use around those who are

suffering PMS really helps to calm them down, nowdays there are more than a few commercial pheromone products that

have it included in their formula's.





Also in the time passed that you had good success with whatever pheromones

you were using may not precisely fit your signature the same nowdays and may need tweaking with a little

Androstenone, anyways let us know how you go with the AE or whatever you get around to using.

thanks, i will undoubtedly

post my results, and make notes of them this time around!

is there any product containing Androstadienone and

the other 3 main 'mones or do i need 2 separate products?

excuse me for interrupting but as

far as i know

androstadienone
is phohibited in some countries
because it's impact on health
liver

damage for example

Androstenedione is banned by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). It has been used to

increase muscle mass, improve strength, improve athletic performance, and increase testosterone (male sex hormone)

as an alternative to anabolic steroids.
Possible side effects of androstenedione include liver damage,

development of breast tissue in men, menstrual disturbances, hair loss, deepened voice, acne and infertility :nono:

:twisted:

Quote:

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Originally Posted by neiltrain2

thanks, i will undoubtedly post my results, and make notes of them this time around!



is there any product containing Androstadienone and the other 3 main 'mones or do i need 2 separate

products?

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I may not mention these products on this forum because they are in competion with the products sold

through Love-Scent and i try and respect the administration here by not promoting them

The A1 as Androstadienone

is called for short is available here at L-S the last time i looked and if you get the full size concentration then

the addition of just one or two drops to a mix would be easy to accomplish.

When A1 is used around females that

are already feeling happy and upbeat then it would be somewhat unnecessary to add to your mix because it works

better when used to calm a woman down when they may be slightly depressed or have PMS type of symptoms ect.



Therefore i conclude that it is not an absolute necessity to keep in your phero locker unless you are dealing with

females who need cheering up ect.

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Originally Posted by zgame

excuse

me for interrupting but as far as i know

androstadienone
is phohibited in some countries
because it's impact

on health
liver damage for example

Androstenedione is banned by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). It has

been used to increase muscle mass, improve strength, improve athletic performance, and increase testosterone (male

sex hormone) as an alternative to anabolic steroids.
Possible side effects of androstenedione include liver damage,

development of breast tissue in men, menstrual disturbances, hair loss, deepened voice, acne and infertility :nono:

:twisted:

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The substance that you are refering to that has been banned is

not Androstadienone but is called "ANDROSTENETRIONE" which is completly different in its structure to

Androstadienone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androstadienone



http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/results/NCT00553384

I have

used Androstenetrione the test booster for several years and if you google " terry0400-40 " you will notice that i

have written three seperate reveiws for this testosterone booster.



There are also other similar spelled compounds to Androstadienone that sound

the same they are prohibited yes.

But there is no

ban and also absolutley no danger associated with using Androstadienone or products that contain it for topical

applications.

Love - Scent would not be selling

Androstadienone if it was a danger to its customers worldwide.:thumbsup:

Quote:

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Originally Posted by terry0400-40

I may

not mention these products on this forum because they are in competion with the products sold through Love-Scent and

i try and respect the administration here by not promoting them

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Terry, you can name the products in

question, just don't post any links to competitors, as you know. Thanks for being a good sport. :cheers:

Also,

btw, Dial Soap (Proctor and Gamble?) has a product that contains Androstedienone available in the US. I don' think

they'd use it if there were any kind of trouble.

so in which LS products

would i find A1?

will it work on girls who are generally in a bad mood, especially with

me?:)

interesting to know that my signature may have changed over the years. i'm really looking at girls

about 10 years short of my 38 years and i DO need to appear more confident and approachable.

i'm still open

to product suggestions.........

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Originally Posted by idesign

Terry, you can name the products in question, just don't post any links to competitors, as

you know. Thanks for being a good sport. :cheers:

Also, btw, Dial Soap (Proctor and Gamble?) has a product that

contains Androstedienone available in the US. I don' think they'd use it if there were any kind of

trouble.

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Yes sure thanks Greg, i may make mention of some other products

when i get the time to delve into my archives :think:

Quote:

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Originally Posted by neiltrain2

thanks. i just wish i'd taken notes during my heyday 2003-2004. attracted a lot of

younger women and i cant remember for the life of me which products worked best. might go back to experimenting and

trying AE and APC again.

what does this Androstadienone do?

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Here is a

post i found from another forum that i have pasted below
I’ve

been thinking about doing this for the longest time but recent events have finally pushed me to do this. In an

effort to cut down on the repeated questions, but at the same time encourage more result oriented posts I am

making this A-1 guide. Please remember I am NOT a scientist, but merely a tester who is reporting what he’s seen and

also info gathered from other fellow members.

Table of

Contents

Section 1: What is A-1?

Section 2: What are the effects of A-1?

Section 3: When

is the best time to use Androstadienone?

Section 4: How much do I

need and how do I make it?

Section 5: Final

Remarks




Section 1: What is

A-1?

Androstadienone or as it is more commonly called,

A-1, is one of the most abundant pheros on the male body. In other words, if you’re a guy, then you already

naturally produce A-1.

A-1 was the main

ingredient in the product Instant Female Magic although its exact dose is still unknown even to this day and it was

also paired up with other pheros in that formula. Instant Female Magic has been discontinued from xxxxxxxx because

of Androstadienone but I’ll get into more detail on that

later.

Some users have dubbed A-1 as the

“romantic pheromone� or the “falling in love� pheromone.

Section 2: What are the effects of A-1?

Like many pheromones, A-1 can produce a variety of effects depending on the person

however, it’s most common and consistent effect is it’s calming ability on women. It also serves as a mood booster

for women who are feeling depressed due to a variety of factors. It has been reported by women who were exposed to

A-1 as a “calm, content, safe

feeling�.

Other reports have shown that

A-1 can have a possible “memory� effect in that women will have lingering thoughts on a man that may have worn A-1.

This “crush� type effect can be hard to spot but a keen eye and a perceptive mind can key into these subtle

reactions although even people like me still miss them sometimes. These signs can range from fidgeting, hair

flipping, repeated looks or glances, tighter/longer hugs, hanging around you more, or the infamous “doe

eyes�.

Unfortunately, a small minority of men

can become depressed from A-1 although the effects of this “depression� vary. Some men, such as me feel more

withdrawn and less social. Others get completely depressed. So it’s generally a good idea to wear A-1 once or twice

while in a controlled environment to see if you get any negative side effects. Here are some ways to

reduce/eliminate the negative effects (if there are any).

1.) Wear A-1 on your arms or on the back of your

neck to prevent yourself from inhaling it.
2.) Wear a mood boosting pheromone like Instant

Shine to counteract the effects or prevent them.
3.)You can wear small amounts of A-1 daily to build up immunity to it.



This depression effect is one of the reasons

that Instant Female Magic was discontinued. Once it again, I want to remind people that this

DEPRESSION IS RARE.

TIP:



Be sure to remember that A-1 can

transform into androstenol if it is exposed to bacteria on the skin (sweat). The cycle goes like this:

A-1ÃAndrostenolÃ[COLOR=#343434

]Androstenone. This takes place ONLY if there is a sufficient amount of bacteria (sweat).

Therefore, it’s probably best to not wear A-1 if you’re going to exercise.

[/COLOR]

Also, carry some hand sanitizer with just in

case, and spread it on the application spot if you think the conversion has taken place or might take place and just

reapply some A-1 after you’ve cleaned the area.
__________________

thanks terry0400-40


now i understand all that things
i was afraid to try that but after your
post Whooohoo! i need to try

it.:cheers: :drunk:

I am pretty sure that A-1 in is

Pheromax (sold here), but you may want to consider the standalone "chem set" straight androstadienone (also

available at LS).

I found the IFM product very good. I never had any negative effects from it. I also consider

A-1 to be as important, if not more important, than androstenone. I am pretty sure the times I have worn it, say at

some funerals/wakes where there are often many "unhappy" females, it resulted in some positive "
cuddle/comfort"

behavior.

I'd give it a try. Just try to use it in appropriate situations. A night club may call more for

androstenone, while a one-on-one date may be better for A-1.


My opinions.

A-1:



http://www.love-scent.com/product_in...c3a299d0bfbd7e

thanks, i'm definitely

gonna try this at some stage, wishing now i hadnt already just placed an order....