Experimentation Log

Ok guys, you may

have read me "talking" about this, and since I have now restarted this fairly large project I thought I would start

a thread on it.


My goals in making this are:

1. Looking at an idividual mix or application, I aim
   
   to create

• a convenient method of recording hits
• an easy way to record day by day (or
  
  situation by situation) results
• a way to quantify, compare and analyse results and hits
• a method of
  
  recording and analysing different application methods and points (does spreading it out help? etc.)
• a way to
  
  identify the best location for the mix/application
• a method to identifying the optimum dosage; overall and on a
  
  location by location basis (e.g wearing 0.1 ml while clubbing got the best results, but you need only 0.06 ml to
  
  reach the optimum dose for restaurant situation)
• the period of effectivness of the mix/application
• the
  
  optimum period to receive hits (e.g 1 hour after application)

2. Looking at pheromone use in general, I aim

to address the following questions:

• the optimum dose of -none, -nol, and -rone when applied
  
  individually
• the effects resultsing from various ratios of pheromones when applied together
• do some
  
  pheromones work better in some application points?
• high concentrations and low doses or low concentration and
  
  high doses?

Have I missed anything? What else would be useful?

Questions?

These are some screen

caps of it as it is now (very rough), there is a general lack of space to write notes on the days usage at the

moment:

- Carriers

- Sources (labs

have different purification processes)


Looks exciting, though.

you should cout ppl

density aswell no? You may be clubbing or in the metro but density varys [dance flore density is difrent than at

tables or bar... for example ] or [rush hours & at midnight in the met]
just a sugesion ...

Admirable project. One major

issue is anticipated number of data points to get meaningful results: You have to keep it simple to get enough.

I suggest including a base

rate: For several days, apply no pheromones, and record your unenhanced number of "hits".
I also suggest

categories of "hits", ranging from the ambiguous (looking at you) to the unambiguous (intercourse).

Thanks for the feedback so far

guys.

bjf,

Good idea. Carriers would have to be limited to combo applications, as it gets complicated with

mixes.



eric,

Yes I think that needs addressing, not as easy as it sounds though.



Doc,



Thanks. Yeah one of the big problems is keeping it simple and yet accurate.


ismellgood,

That would be

up to the user, but a good suggestion none the less. I could be interesting to see what aspects of interaction are

changed the most (passive, active, social) by certain pheros/phero ratios.

Yeah that's a given ;)



Cheers anyway

Hi,

Not to dig up old

threads...but this I think would be of interest to newbies like me. So what happened to the project or

progress/results or is it been abandone???

Cheers

Not at all, I've just been

busy with other things in the Pherolibrary. Once I get the Pherolibrary up to a good standard I'll get back to work

on it.

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Originally Posted by CptKipling

Not at all,

I've just been busy with other things in the Pherolibrary. Once I get the Pherolibrary up to a good standard I'll

get back to work on it.

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Hi Cpt,

Cool looking forward to it. Keep up the good job... :)

Quote:

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Originally Posted by CptKipling

Ok guys, you

may have read me "talking" about this, and since I have now restarted this fairly large project I thought I would

start a thread on it.


My goals in making this are:

1. Looking at an idividual mix or
   
   application, I aim to create

• a convenient method of recording hits
• an easy way to
  
  record day by day (or situation by situation) results
• a way to quantify, compare and analyse results and
  
  hits
• a method of recording and analysing different application methods and points (does spreading it out help?
  
  etc.)
• a way to identify the best location for the mix/application
• a method to identifying the optimum
  
  dosage; overall and on a location by location basis (e.g wearing 0.1 ml while clubbing got the best results, but you
  
  need only 0.06 ml to reach the optimum dose for restaurant situation)
• the period of effectivness of the
  
  mix/application
• the optimum period to receive hits (e.g 1 hour after application)

2. Looking at

pheromone use in general, I aim to address the following questions:

• the optimum dose of -none, -nol,
  
  and -rone when applied individually
• the effects resultsing from various ratios of pheromones when applied
  
  together
• do some pheromones work better in some application points?
• high concentrations and low doses or
  
  low concentration and high doses?

Have I missed anything? What else would be useful?



Questions?

These are some screan caps of it as it is now (very rough), there is a general lack of space

to write notes on the days usage at the moment:

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Well thought-out, but unnecessary. Ratios are arbitrary,

I always use relatively low levels of -none; -nol -rone can be more liberal. Androstenone is a steroid and women and

men who have increased testosterone levels tend to respond positively. Period. I'd hazard a guess reponses to -nol

and -rone are the same way, though using these two alone is "safer". Adding -none to -nol and -rone will cause a

negative response in males and females who have high estrogen levels.

I've observed this consistently.

Until research scientists find a different pathway, the question we're stuck with is how can you spot someone with

higher testosterone levels?

Sir Louis:

Is that what it is?

High t-levels that cause people to react positively to none? That does seem to jive some?

Can you explain

how you arrived at this conclusion, and how you knew the people had higher t-levels (or was this a study someone

else did?

Also, there are ways to tell who has higher t-levels..........since you are like hetero and a guy,

i will tell you with women it is rounded shoulders I think (jvk spoke about the signs at one point) and there is a

finger length correlation.

Quote:

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Is that what it is?

High t-levels that cause people to react positively to none? That does seem to jive some?

Can you explain

how you arrived at this conclusion, and how you knew the people had higher t-levels (or was this a study someone

else did?

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I don't. Over years of using -none containing products and observing reactions, almost every

sexual "hit" I've received have been from athletic, competitive women. To date, and I wear pheromone products

every day, I have never observed a "beta" male or female ("breeder" type) respond in a positive manner to -none,

and I've noticed only passable -nol and -rone responses.

Quote:

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Also, there are ways to tell who has higher

t-levels..........since you are like hetero and a guy, i will tell you with women it is rounded shoulders I think

(jvk spoke about the signs at one point) and there is a finger length correlation.

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Interesting, can you

explain further?

Cap, this is great. Have you taken

the weather conditions into consideration? Good work!

Good point Elvis. At least the

Temperature should be important and maby humidity...

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Originally Posted by Sir Louis

I don't. Over years

of using -none containing products and observing reactions, almost every sexual "hit" I've received have been from

athletic, competitive women. To date, and I wear pheromone products every day, I have never observed a "beta" male

or female ("breeder" type) respond in a positive manner to -none, and I've noticed only passable -nol and -rone

responses.


Interesting, can you explain

further?

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FINGERS:
http://human-nature.com/nibbs/02/manning.html

http://love<br /> <br /> -scent.co...ead.php?t=9591


PHYSICAL

TRAITS:

http://pherolibrary.com/forum/showth...zed#post100041


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" Women's sensitivity to -rone, and therefore their response to it, will vary with levels of hormones. The

trick is to avoid having too much of it most of the time. Too much for a more feminine heterosexual woman, might not

be too much for a more masculine heterosexual woman. I hope we hear of some results in this regard. BTW, there's

nothing wrong with more masculine heterosexual woman; they can be much more fun because they tend to be a bit more

aggressive, and also tend to have two peaks in their drive: one at ovulation, another just before their period

starts. Pay attention to body type: a more masculinized heterosexual woman will show signs of slightly broader

shoulder width (very slightly), less fat distribution in the hips, thighs, and butt, and have smaller breasts--all

due to more testosterone and less estrogen. The tendency also is for these women to be 5'5'' plus rather than the

shorter profile of women with more estrogen. All of the preceeding is based on my own experience, but follows the

biological facts (progesterone before the start of menses can have effects like testosterone in women). I'm certain

that other Forum members can attest to the differences in body type that correlate with sexual behavior. If not, it

should be fun for others to learn about such differences. But, watch out for large, thick-waisted women; a more

masculinized extreme. They're less likely to like guys." JVK

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Originally Posted by Sir Louis

I don't. Over

years of using -none containing products and observing reactions, almost every sexual "hit" I've received have been

from athletic, competitive women. To date, and I wear pheromone products every day, I have never observed a "beta"

male or female ("breeder" type) respond in a positive manner to -none, and I've noticed only passable -nol and

-rone responses.

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That is very strange. There are days when I cannot seem to get the fat women off of me

when I wear lots of Androstenone. Of course, some of them are very aggressive sexually anyway.

Some older women

respond poorly to my strong Androstenone applications, but that may be due more to my personality. I am one of

those guys who says something without realizing that people may perceive it in an entirely different way from me.

By the time I realize I have committed a faux pas, it's too late. Women closer to my age and older seem more prone

to react negatively than the younger ones.

I think it's true that -none

tends to get more aggressive women excited, but I don't think that that's the end of the story.