I ordered my first

bottle of phereomone based products from love-scent a few years ago (back then YES, APC, Datemate, and Lure were the

rage - how far we've come!) and started using them. I later ordered the more potent products as they came to my

attention (PI, SOE, PF, AE, PPA. . .etc). I noticed some very subtle differences in the way women acted towards me -

it was hard to distinguish the effect one combination had over another - the most obvious effect I noticed was what

would happen when I put too much on. I was a very active member in the forums due to my chemistry backround as well

as the fact that I wanted to find a "meaningful relationship". However, I haven't been active in the forums over

the last 2 years although I continue to order Bruce's occasional specials and good deals if I happened to see them

when I visit love-scent.

I spent the last two years researching many of the methods of so called seduction

and spent much money reading every single word and listening to every single CD I could get my hands on. Each one of

these methods came with a money back guarentee stating that if the method wasn't 100% effective that I could return

it for a full refund. What I found is that most of these methods are inconsistant with one another - and that

consequently no one was really saying the same thing. Many of the time windows for returning these products was too

short to see if they were effective, and thus I would return the products before knowing full well if they worked or

not - but by the wording of the products guarentee, I was entitled to a full refund. Some products I ordered were

40% good advice and 60% nonsense. Some prodcuts were total garbage, yet seemed to work for other people. This

bothered me somewhat.

For the last 20 years, I had been trying to find a "meaningful relationship". Once I

stopped to think about what that meant, it actually means I am not trying to get my rocks off or having wild crazy

passionate for the moment sex for just a short period of time. Many of the people I know are very successful at

hooking up, why wasn't I? It was because I wanted something "meaningful" even though I had an instict to want to

get my rocks off. Consequently, this contradiction of stances was confusing me and thus making me somewhat

misdirected in my efforts. I started to look closely at the dynamics of how people related to each other and what

was going on at social settings. I had found that 2/3 of the people I encountered were actually only looking for

something fleeting and something meaningful never crossed their minds. This also meant that I was unlike most of the

people I encountered and thus if when we exchanged ideas that usually they were not the same.

Once I realized

that looking for something meaningful precludes wild passionate for the moment encounters, it suddenly dawned on me

that IF I COULD HAVE A MEANINGFUL CONVERSATION WITH A WOMAN AT A SOCIAL ENCOUNTER that it meant not looking for

something fleeting. It meant that I was trying to build something for the future - and consequently it means the

same thing to someone looking for a fleeting encounter who successfully hooks up for the night. It also means that I

AM NOT LOOKING FOR SOMETHING FLEETING. Once I believed this in my heart, mind, and soul, EVERYTHING CHANGED

DRAMATICALLY. I started realizing this 5 months ago and noticed things dramatically changing, but waited for a

reasonable amount of time before posting to the forum on the off chance everything was a fluke.
The knowledge

that in any new social encounter with a woman that there is NO CHANCE IN HELL THAT I AM GOING TO GET LAID but that I

am truly trying to build something towards a future took all the intimidation and uncertaintly out of my

intereactions. If I knew I was going to see her in the future at another setting, I would wait until the next

encounter. If I was fairly certain that I wouldn't run into her again, I ask her for her number and use it - to

meet her and build further relations. This also means that I am genuinely interested in getting to know her for who

she is and what she finds important. It also means that I do not ever do things such as bring up sex or any clever

innuendos. It also means that when I speak with her that I pay complete attention to her by looking right at her

face and never ever stare at her body or look around and check out other people. It also means that I do not put my

arms around her or try to touch her - if she wants to touch me - thats a different story - and that now happens very

often. It means that if she brings up sex - that I have struck paydirt.

All of a sudden, I find that women

are COMPETING FOR MY ATTENTION. They are calling me and seeking me out. They are becoming suddenly submissive and

they approach me in social settings and start talking - subtly knowing that I am not trying to "score" and thus they

feel comfortable. I keep the conversation upbeat and occasionally will tease the woman about something in herself. I

notice that when one of the women is talking to me that the others in the area start staring in my direction. It

also means that since so many women want to spend time with me (AND JUST TALK) that when one tries to make plans

with me that much of the time I am unavailable but will always suggest another day and time to meet. Things

progressed very rapidly and now I am in the throes of a wonderful relationship with someone who would not have given

me the time of day 6 months ago. Knowing that there are other women who want to spend time with me keeps me from

being the negative possessive man that all of us have been at one time or another. Her knowing this also means she

knows that if she pushes me too far that I can drop her in an instant and start building a future with someone else.

The quality of women who seem to be attracted to a guy that genuinely wants to get to know them without trying just

to get laid transends no boundries. It applies to women of different races, beauty, and builds. I did notice that

once the first drop-dead gorgeous woman started spending time with me, other pretty ones would step up to bat soon

after.

Six months ago, I had no one. No one called me and women used to interact to me with apprehension.

Little by little, things changed and the changes were so subtle that I barely noticed things changing. However, now

women are very open to me, they approach me and strike up conversations - they call me and try to spend time with me

- and they talk about me with each other. It's amazing to me.

Do the pheromones work? Although I have no

evidence to say that they do - my experience tells me yes. It makes the women more comfortable and open around me. I

tend to wear products containing mostly -nol.

However, the key was finally once and for all defining what I

really wanted and living my life from that standpoint. Once I started doing this, things progressed dramatically. It

also means that methods that try to get men laid as fast as possible were complete garbage to me whereas the ones

trying to build something for the future were more pertinant. However, no one method got it right and it was the

person inside me that actually was the key that finally opened the floodgates.

The long-term lesson for me

is that once I define what it is that I wanted and started to live my life consistant with that method, that I

FINALLY GOT WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. I now have over dozen women who compete for my time and also the one special

woman I am currently involved with - this one is my number one - she is the one I spend my weekends with. Although

there are some physical and intimate things that go on in my relationship, this is not the focus - its all about

building towards a future with me (the future means at least 2 months up the road to me) - and this stance seems to

make me all the more sexually attractive to her - IT MAKES NO INTUITIVE SENSE TO ME. For some counterintuitive

reason, being involved with someone makes me more attractive to the other women - however, I will not act on it

unless my current relationship goes south.

It also leads me to believe that many of the techniques that are

floating about are all pertinant depending on what the reader themselves wants. One method encourages you to

initiate physical contact with a woman in an effort to seduce her - this will not work for my goal - but it may work

if you just want something fleeting. One method encourages you to wait over a week before you call a women - this

works for me but will not work for someone looking for a quick fix. Many methods encourage men to stop acting like

wussies and wimps - this is good advice if you want the kind of woman this attracts - but not if you are looking for

someone unpredictable and prone to drama. Some of us live for extreme emotions and some of us avoid them. The

important thing is to once and for all determine what it is YOU REALLY WANT and then start living your life from

that standpoint (maybe I'm generalizing too much here - but it worked for me).

Once I realized that all I

wanted from an initial encounter from a woman was a good conversation and a hope for something in the future -

everything opened up and here I am now.

I wish I figured this all out 20 years ago. It had been staring me in

the face all along. I first realized I wanted a "meaningful relationship" when I was 16. Why the hell did it take me

over 20 years to finally sit down and figure out what I was saying to myself? Better late than never.