18 yr. old Majorly Pumped Up About This

[theplayer]

So, I'm an 18 yr. old South Asian male. Trying to attract an 18 yr. old Hispanic female at our

school. We have an hour together nearly every day doing administrative work. I'm doing my part to attract (we're

totally only friends now, and she has a bf, who she kinda likes, but what the hell, right?) her and I'm hoping that

mones will help a bit. On Tuesday, I will have the following:

AE
WAGG-N
Chikara
SOE
NPA
TE

The heavy

-none products I want to avoid for a while, considering my age and inexperience. What should I try first? Also,

any of you chick magnets have any thoughts on how to attract those nice, thoughtful girls who also happen to be

kinda hot and are really popular with a lot of guys (including me) but has a boyfriend who she is close with? I

don't even really want her to go out with me (well, I do) but I want her to want me. This was really hurried,

sorry. Is there anything else you need to know that I left out? Thanks for all your help. You guys rock! You can

tell I'm excited.

[smoothcriminal]

Hi, i'm a 23 year old

south asian male. My advice would be to wear something that smells good, probably AE. 3 drops should be good.

Interesting things have happened when i've worn pheros with my gfs (she was wilder) or random people have opened up

and stuff, but I wouldn't rely on them for attracting someone in particular.

I'd also advise not fixating on

one girl in case you end up a lil disappointed with how she responds to your advances. I'd think that girls our

age are less sexually developed and probably would respond better to nol. Also, having some game really helps.

I'd start by reading "The Game" by Neil Strauss. Check it out, you will be inspired. I was once a nerd when I was

your age, didn't kiss a girl until 18. A lot has changed since then.

If you'd like to hear about specific

reports I had, let me know and i'll post some stories.

[Gegogi]

Putting the squeeze on a female

with a BF or husband isn't any different than any other girl. She responds if she is attracted or blows you off if

not. However, make sure her BF doesn't belong to a gang or carry weapons before putting the move on her. I have

experience in this area and have gotten punched (once) and threaten by angry BFs or husbands. Now these women were

ready and willing, sometimes even the aggressor. Of course if she's interested I'd consider her fair game. Just

realize her BF may not to so inclined.

[Kardz]

Putting the squeeze

on a female with a BF or husband isn't any different than any other girl. She responds if she is attracted or blows

you off if not. However, make sure her BF doesn't belong to a gang or carry weapons before putting the move on her.

I have experience in this area and have gotten punched (once) and threaten by angry BFs or husbands. Now these women

were ready and willing, sometimes even the aggressor. Of course if she's interested I'd consider her fair game.

Just realize her BF may not to so inclined.

I'd agree with Gegogi.

Alot of women, especially

beautiful ones, tend to always have a BF around until they find someone better.

Or they aren't exclusive.



Or they're dirty sluts.

[Pretzel]

I'd agree with

Gegogi.

Alot of women, especially beautiful ones, tend to always have a BF around until they find someone

better.

Or they aren't exclusive.

Or they're dirty sluts.

Ryan,

the above is pretty

offensive to most women - you don't see any men-bashing here, why should it be acceptable the other way around?

[Gegogi]

Unfortunately many of the younger

guys here think they're posting a boy's club. If we had more frequent female posters it would help keep them in

line.

[Pretzel]

Unfortunately many

of the younger guys here think they're posting a boy's club. If we had more frequent female posters it would help

keep them in line.

Thanks Gegogi - this isn't a MEN only forum, there is a "women's area", but surely

"pheromone discussion" applies to all pheromone users?! Even if it was men only, that kind of attitude is

offensive-if a lot of guys here are just interested in getting laid, misogyny isn't going to get them very far.



So, treat us nice, guys, (Kardz in particular!) and you'll get the same back - play fair!

Grrrr Arrrrgh!

[belgareth]

Your right Pretzel. Sorry I

didn't catch it. There is no excuse for insults anywhere on this forum.

[CptKipling]

I'm doing my

part to attract (we're totally only friends now, and she has a bf, who she kinda likes, but what the hell,

right?)...

...Also, any of you chick magnets have any thoughts on how to attract those nice, thoughtful girls

who also happen to be kinda hot and are really popular with a lot of guys (including me) but has a boyfriend who she

is close with? I don't even really want her to go out with me (well, I do) but I want her to want me.

Thats not cool. It annoys me when people think that suddenly being able to attract women, or have any

sort of power, gives them the lisence to be abusive. I hope you realise that wanting something because you can't

have it is your problem, and needing the attention and approval of others (like in the bolded text) isn't

attractive anyway. All of that is immature too.

I'd agree with Gegogi.

Alot of women, especially

beautiful ones, tend to always have a BF around until they find someone better.

Or they aren't exclusive.

Or

they're dirty sluts.

I really don't know where guys get this. I assume they have never really seen

it in action, they just hear it and see it as a good excuse.

[Netghost56]

Most likely he's been burned

by girls before. There was a time when I had a pretty low opinion of women in general. I'm still not exceedingly

friendly with the locals.

I might get flamed for saying this, but many guys tend to go after the shallow girls.

You see it happen. Just as women seem to flock to the "bad boy". It's really the same thing. But most guys (and

girls) don't realize exactly what they're getting into. Ergo, they crash and burn (guys do, girls just move on).

Hence, the anger and animosity.

[itwow]

There's really no need to place

women on a pedestal, neither do they fit under your soles. Treat the ladies with the same respect you give yourself

and attract someone worthy to keep and be with. It works both ways.

[CptKipling]

I might get flamed for

saying this, but many guys tend to go after the shallow girls.

No I agree. I see it a lot in some of

my friends, especially when out clubbing. They will put up a psuedo-macho persona (being loud, making fun of people,

etc.) and then be VERY in to the girls that respond. Some of these girls are good looking, but their personalities

almost always suck. They don't always admit it but my friends (like most guys) really want the higher quality women

that their approach completely rules them out of getting. From my perspective, apart from the fact that responding

to my friends "game" lowers my respect for them a notch or two, a woman has to be able to hold me in a conversation

and challenge me; i find the other girls boring and actually unattractive no matter what they look like. If a girl

is abusive I don't hate them, I'm just not interested.

[DrSmellThis]

No I agree.

I see it a lot in some of my friends, especially when out clubbing. They will put up a psuedo-macho persona (being

loud, making fun of people, etc.) and then be VERY in to the girls that respond. Some of these girls are good

looking, but their personalities almost always suck. They don't always admit it but my friends (like most guys)

really want the higher quality women that their approach completely rules them out of getting. From my perspective,

apart from the fact that responding to my friends "game" lowers my respect for them a notch or two, a woman has to

be able to hold me in a conversation and challenge me; i find the other girls boring and actually unattractive no

matter what they look like. If a girl is abusive I don't hate them, I'm just not interested.

Very, very

nice post, Kip.

After you've had a number of experiences with women who didn't have multiple dimensions to

offer you (not that it's all about you), you learn that you want more. In order to get more you have to target your

approach to a certain quality of woman. This rules out the typical pickup approach. You need to find a way to do it

with substance, and play to a woman's substance.

You need a certain amount of confidence, for example, but

it's not about having superhuman confidence or anything. It's about the whole picture of who you both are, and

about some fundamentals and basics (such as respect, listening, liking people, etc., etc.).

"Top of the line

women of substance", whatever your definition of it, are going to require respect, at the very least. There are a

lot of empty headed bimbo types out there, women with issues, or women who have yet to mature; but there are also a

lot of tremendous individual women as well. They are hard to find in the typical places. They are much easier to

find when you are pursuing activities of interest. If you are not doing this adequately, or are using the "wrong

bait" (e.g., sketchy pickup techniques), you will tend to have a skewed view of "how all women are".

That is not

to say that a bit of skepticism about a woman's character can't be useful; or that a bit of anger at one's

experiences isn't justified. I've felt like "all women are bizzatches" before. It's good to get in touch

with your anger, and then set some boundaies and limits for what you'll tolerate. But it's one thing to have

feelings, and another to make serious conclusions, based only on those feelings.

[Watcher]

its quite simple the girls that u

have been burned by are a certain personality type u are obvioulsy subconsciously attracted to ie the bad girl or

the flake who isnt interested in a relationship at least until their 30s. Also the gimme gimme attention types who

never really allow things to go any further.

What u need to do is look beyond the looks and at the personalty

involved the level of committment to u - how she views herself is she a good long term candiate for a relationship -

shes not to demanding (ie gimme gimme gimme everything and ill still treat u like dirt type)

Ok im starting

to sound a bit negative here but i think the idea is gotten look for the girl that has some personality - sense of

humour a reasonable level of committment in a relationship. And always keep a clear head

[belgareth]

This subject has come up

before. In my experience, bars and clubs are the worst place to meet women who I would want a relationship with. The

games they play in those places are a waste of time and seem to be created to hide who a person really is.

Once

you meet a woman, you both are looking at the other trying to determine if the other is keeper material, worthy of a

relationship. If she wants to play games she isn't worth the trouble and you should walk away from her. You can act

like a gentleman, be a nice guy and still maintain standards of what type person you want in your life. Look for

those who are fun to be around, don't play games, likes you for what you are not some imagined or fake person and

is willing to be honest in their dealings with you. Anything less is just buying into trouble and pain.

[CptKipling]

People go to clubs to

socialise.

Some people only go so they can bask in approval and attention, those are the people that generally

play games and shouldn't be thought of as long term material. There are other people who just go to have fun with

their friends occasionally.

People should just treat clubs as what they are - a good time - and then take away

anything else that happens as a bonus. Approaching the situation without any expectation will leave everyone

happier.

[gaf]

capt.
you the man!
I go out to

clubs for a good time , If I meet a nice person and it goes further then thats great, I'm just not into the "shagg

anything that moves because i can" personna. I'd rather someone that I can hold a decent conversation with and then

go further.. Since wearing mones I'm finding this harder as so many people tend to hit on me , often I go out after

work and forget i've got them on only to remember later when a few hot chicks/dudes try get a bit closer then I

intended. Belive it or not but I tend to say no more often then yes! I'd rather see what they're like without the

drink in them.

[CptKipling]

Mature interesting people

naturally attract each other. Part of being a man is not giving people respect that they don't deserve, and showing

that your respect has to be earned (so it isn't just instantly based on looks, wealth, etc.). It is also not

needing the approval of others to bolster your self esteem. If you REALLY understand those things and take them with

you to a club (or anywhere else), you will attract people including the type of people you are interested in for

friendships, relationships, or something less permanent (which is ok too, as long as you accept it for what it

is).

It's good to get in touch with your anger, and then set some boundaies and limits for

what you'll tolerate. But it's one thing to have feelings, and another to make serious conclusions, based only on

those feelings.

Yessir!