Travel and Mix Questions

[terry0400-40]

Hey

terry0400-40, how did you come up with that formula for SOE inch/drops? I ask for reason I believe that the

spreadsheet has the amounts listed wrong. I think 6 drops will not equal 30" and in fact may be too much

-nol.

I found this post

http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/sh...oe+spreadsheet that someone tested a

roll-on bottle with 1 ml and got like 180" not 28" like the spreadsheet says. Not too mention that all roll-ons may

give more or less spread depending on the flow from the applicator.

Hmmmm I just took the roller ball top out and dried it and then dropped 5 drops of SOE inside the

roller head and gave it a roll test several times and came up with an average of 5" to a drop, this could vary a

little according to the size of the dropper and also the temperature of the test product, but i did make the test

with the rollers from 2 individual bottles of SOE.

I have never

seen the spreadsheet as i have a pheromone dropper with a rubber bulb at one end that sucks up the drops, the

dropper i have forms a drop at about the same volume as that of a drop from the Alpha 7 tilt dropper bottle when

inverted.

Well i get about 38.5 drops / mL from my dropper. X

10 = 385 drops per bottle
Giving me a total of 1925" per

bottle.
With each drop giving me 10.384 mcg Nol + 2.596 mcg rone

= total of 12.98mcg per drop X by 385 total drops in the bottle =4997.3 total mcg which is close enough to 5mg.



Seeing as i average 5" per drop i am happy with that and can

work out my requirements close enough to the mark.

But i can

well understand that others may get a different amount of inches per drop depending upon their dropper size and also

the flow rate of the individual roller applicator, and also the temperature on the test day and any other variable

that may enter into the equation.

IM no expert, ha what is an

expert ? ( x is an unknown quantity and a spurt is a fast drip. ) DUHA ha lol..

Whatever gives results with each individual roller is up to each of us to work out our own best

needs regarding inches and when we get a workable amount work with it, that is why i usually like to measure my

applications in drops it gives me a close idea of the amounts of pheromone i am applying. PS according to

my calculations 1ml gives me about 193" but thats my deal .

[zatoichi]

Hey terry, thanks for the

answer. glad there was a method and not just a half-assed answer. I give ya that with the drops you are correct.

With my dropper I average around 25 drops/ml so my numbers will look for one drop 0.016mg/ml -nol and 0.004

mg/ml -rone. And I did like you tested which is a great way. I put one drop on the roller but I got like 14"!

I notice at first I would get 5"-6" but found there was still some left on the roller when I went to dry it. I

figure that if you do a roll straight, then the sides of the sphere are not being distributed. So my other attempts

I kept rotating the roller applicator and I got more flow for my money. I guess really that the conversion of inches

to mg will be case by case study for everyone.

I, just like you, will continue using drops instead. I

won't use the roller since I will not be able to guage the amounts of -nol and -rone I am applying

correctly. Not to mention the fact that I would not be able to put it on after work since I would get the roller all

clogged and dirty with grease

[terry0400-40]

Hey

terry, thanks for the answer. glad there was a method and not just a half-assed answer. I give ya that with the

drops you are correct. With my dropper I average around 25 drops/ml so my numbers will look for one drop 0.016mg/ml

-nol and 0.004 mg/ml -rone. And I did like you tested which is a great way. I put one drop on the

roller but I got like 14"! I notice at first I would get 5"-6" but found there was still some left on the roller

when I went to dry it. I figure that if you do a roll straight, then the sides of the sphere are not being

distributed. So my other attempts I kept rotating the roller applicator and I got more flow for my money. I guess

really that the conversion of inches to mg will be case by case study for everyone.

I, just like you,

will continue using drops instead. I won't use the roller since I will not be able to guage the amounts of

-nol and -rone I am applying correctly. Not to mention the fact that I would not be able to put it on

after work since I would get the roller all clogged and dirty with grease

Yes Z, i also have a medical dropper and it dispenses at about the same rate as yours seems to, if

i was to have used this one in my tests i would have got far more SOE to the inch than i do with my phero type

dropper. At least we wont be ODing if we are several inches over with the Nol and Rone, Good thing Androstenone

doesant come in a rollertop ha ha we would have all thrown our rollers to the shizen housen and taken our droppers

out ha ha.

[Rubio]

I am thinking that since I am

going to have to be reapplying and possible putting on clothes that I should stick with an SOE A1 mix.

My theory

being that since dirsty clothes are going to have to be repacked near clean clothes this will lessen my chance of an

OD.

Any thoughts on this?


And last (for now...)

How does dry cleaning do for removing mones from

clothes? I might have to use hotel dry cleaning half way through trip and want to make sure it is good enough for

reapplication (assuming I have to apply to my clothes, which I am starting to think I might...)

[Eugene]

Hi some of u

already know about my situation. Without going into details I have a very important accademic project presentation

on Friday. Flowing some suggestion from members here I purchased a bottle of unscented SOE, A314 and Liquid Trust.



I remember being advised because due the short lived effects of LT I should only spray it on half hour

before the meeting.

It would take an hour to get to the venue. So do u suggest get there then put the stuff

on in the rest room. Or am I safe enough putting on the SOE and A314 then add LT at the venue.

The examiners

are two males and a female. Watching the proceeding is the regisrar of the institution who is a female. It would my

first time meeting the latter.

This project presentation is a repeat. It was thrown out by the examiners

colleagues first time round but I disputed results and now offered another hearing.

I am told this is a face

saving process but non the less contentious.

Hoping the mones can give me the edge on the big day.

How

many drops of each and where. Would I be able to place drops on the same spot. How much does the danger of overdose

make.

[terry0400-40]

Hi

some of u already know about my situation. Without going into details I have a very important accademic project

presentation on Friday. Flowing some suggestion from members here I purchased a bottle of unscented SOE, A314 and

Liquid Trust.

I remember being advised because due the short lived effects of LT I should only spray it on half

hour before the meeting.

It would take an hour to get to the venue. So do u suggest get there then put the stuff

on in the rest room. Or am I safe enough putting on the SOE and A314 then add LT at the venue.

The examiners are

two males and a female. Watching the proceeding is the regisrar of the institution who is a female. It would my

first time meeting the latter.

This project presentation is a repeat. It was thrown out by the examiners

colleagues first time round but I disputed results and now offered another hearing.

I am told this is a face

saving process but non the less contentious.

Hoping the mones can give me the edge on the big day.

How many

drops of each and where. Would I be able to place drops on the same spot. How much does the danger of overdose

make.

I usually apply my interveiw mixes about 10 or 15 mins out from the

interveiw with my 4 sprays of LT to the shirt front at pec level as close as possable to the kick off

time.

Try

and spread the pheromone application out to cover a larger area so that you get good diffusion going in the short

space of time that you may have to make an impression.

all the best with it all

[terry0400-40]

I am

thinking that since I am going to have to be reapplying and possible putting on clothes that I should stick with an

SOE A1 mix.

My theory being that since dirsty clothes are going to have to be repacked near clean clothes this

will lessen my chance of an OD.

Any thoughts on this?


And last (for now...)

How does dry cleaning

do for removing mones from clothes? I might have to use hotel dry cleaning half way through trip and want to make

sure it is good enough for reapplication (assuming I have to apply to my clothes, which I am starting to think I

might...)

Just watch it to see if the SOE leaves a residue on your clothes,

it doesent leave a visable residue on mine because i premix my applications of SOE + A7 + cologne and spray if from

a distance and therefore i get a larger coverage area, once my clothes have been through the wash i reapply again

and dont have any problems.

[Rubio]

Lucky for me no stains yet using

an atomizer (I think it has to do with the large coverage area).

Only thing I have notticed is my sprays don't

match my math.

I made enough for 5 days at 10 sprays each.

Math worked out fine with just water (same drops)

but when I went to my mix it is only day 2 and I have just enough for 1 more day...

Which means I have putting

on way more than I thought I would (luckily no OD). But this also means something is messed up. I would think the

mix would have been the same if not lasted longer than the water test I did.

I guess figuring this part out is

going to take some time.

[terry0400-40]

Lucky

for me no stains yet using an atomizer (I think it has to do with the large coverage area).

Only thing I have

notticed is my sprays don't match my math.

I made enough for 5 days at 10 sprays each.

Math worked out fine

with just water (same drops) but when I went to my mix it is only day 2 and I have just enough for 1 more day...



Which means I have putting on way more than I thought I would (luckily no OD). But this also means something is

messed up. I would think the mix would have been the same if not lasted longer than the water test I did.

I

guess figuring this part out is going to take some time.

I also once used

water for testing drops /spray quantities and found out that water measures up very differently i now nave a bottle

of phero slops where i put in portions of old pheromone and cologne mixes and i use it just for the purpose of

working out drops per spray ect and it is a little more reliable than using water.

But i still have the problem of my sprays

using up more than i anticipated ah ha yea im still workin on that aspect of my usage.

It s just that sometimes everything

seems to add up on paper but when the time comes to spray there is that shortage at the end. Just something ill

figre out oneday when i have the time.