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    Quote Originally Posted by jvkohl
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    authors presented (note: past tense) preliminary (note: waiting for final results), unpublished data at a conference

    prior to finalizing their study, and after finalizing it published it with no mention of the human VNO. What I "get"

    (from this) is that their preliminary data did not support the human VNO approach. On the off chance that it did, we

    will see a report from the same group that mentions the human VNO.
    James V. Kohl
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    Eros
    My understanding was rather that the series of studies is not close to being finalized; but that

    preliminary data suggested the active role of the human VNO, with a big caveat.

    You may have been thinking

    about the intial preliminary study being "finalized".

    But that was, apparently, always intended as one of a

    series, designed to address precisely the methodological problem of isolating the VNO from standard olfaction. That

    takes a while to do correctly, even though they appear to have addressed a part of it already. It was the

    first issue that occured to me, and no doubt the researchers as well. They're taking care of business, I suspect.



    In the mean time we have some highly intriguing initial results; that are none the less critically vulnerable to

    the criticism that their "VNOblock" may have interfered with standard olfaction -- for now. Oh well, sucks to be a

    scientist. One has to be patient.

    I don't believe we should interpret this normal delay as indicative of those

    researchers' enthusiasm for the VNO one way or the other. They are moving forward with their expensive program,

    apparently. So they must remain somewhat enthused about the possibility of a role for the VNO.
    DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrSmellThis
    I don't

    believe we should interpret this normal delay as indicative of those researchers' enthusiasm for the VNO one way or

    the other. They are moving forward with their expensive program, apparently. So they must remain somewhat enthused

    about the possibility of a role for the VNO.
    I've found no recent indication that any researcher who

    presents at conferences or publishes in peer reviewed journals has any enthusiasm for the possibility of a

    functional human VNO. For example, I just reviewed abstracts from the 40th Annual Meeting of the Japanese

    Association for the Study of Taste and Smell, which may be the most recent olfactory conference from which abstracts

    are available. It's highly unusual for researchers to hide their work from other researchers, even briefly--as

    indicated by the ERCO abstract Irish posted. When the group then publishes without mention of the VNO, it seems more

    likely to me that they, too, have lost interest/enthusiasm.

    JVK
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    Odor in Human Sexuality

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    Quote Originally Posted by jvkohl
    I've found no

    recent indication that any researcher who presents at conferences or publishes in peer reviewed journals has any

    enthusiasm for the possibility of a functional human VNO. For example, I just reviewed abstracts from the 40th

    Annual Meeting of the Japanese Association for the Study of Taste and Smell, which may be the most recent olfactory

    conference from which abstracts are available. It's highly unusual for researchers to hide their work from other

    researchers, even briefly--as indicated by the ERCO abstract Irish posted. When the group then publishes without

    mention of the VNO, it seems more likely to me that they, too, have lost interest/enthusiasm.

    JVK
    author: The

    Scent of Eros: Mysteries of Odor in Human Sexuality
    I don't see them "hiding" anything. They posted what

    they found so far and told us further research was ongoing; and why. THis seems typical rather than unusual, unless

    I'm missing something. It wouldn't have made sense for them to mention the VNO, when their series of VNO studies

    was not completed. I bet the authors/researchers would agree.

    It also wouldn't make sense for them to rush

    ahead to publish the preliminary study when it answers only part of the basic scientific question they are asking.

    Waiting is the professional --and usual -- thing to do.
    DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)

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