Pheros had some tobacco, though just a trace. That the kind of thing you use to enhance other smells, rather than to really notice on its own. I guess some people might like a strong tobacco note, but probably not too many. It's often used in women's perfumes, strangely enough, as by itself it's not too feminine. Starting to get lots of ideas. Thanks everyone! When I figure out the problem with the forum software, I'll let you guys know. In the meantime, none of my posts will be readable. Maybe I'll start making individual posts for each paragraph. 8/