Essence of Alpha Male

[ShyAsianGuy26]

Birth Control Pills screw

up numerous things and have physiological effects that are still being cataloged. As to your question, I do believe

so because birth control pills operate by stimulating a false pregnancy and prolactin is one of the hormones that

changes in pregnancy.

Hope this helps.

[TRDE59]

So, wouldn't that mess with the

effectiveness of pheromone products?

[ShyAsianGuy26]

The marvelous thing about

science is that you find the answer to one question, but it raises many others as you have demonstrated. As to

whether it will definitively (mess) with pheromone's ability to attract? That I can not say for certain without

experimentation~ Any volunteers?

Prolactin is associated with the repression of dopamine, which as you know is

the chemical/neurotransmitter responsible for sexual pleasure among other things. Males with high amounts

(Hyperprolactinemia Symptoms) experience a

lost of libido and every man's dread... impotence. As to the effect on females... I do believe a side affect of the

pills is that they will be harder arouse, therefore you may conclude that it will hinder the ability of pheromones

to work, if my deduction is correct.

Of course who knows pheromones may stimulate some sort of pathway that we

haven't discovered or perhaps interact with current pathways different... (rambling). I'll still with my previous

conclusion.

[jvkohl]

Of course who knows pheromones may stimulate some sort of pathway that we haven't

discovered or perhaps interact with current pathways different...

(rambling).....

http://www.physorg.com/news107613674.html
University of Maryland

researchers unlock mystery of a third olfactory system
“It allows animals to detect food and determine that

food’s quality, it provides social information like sexual status about other animals, and it can warn an animal

when a predator is present. Because of the great similarities between humans and animals when it comes to the sense

of smell, the more we learn about the building blocks of the system, the more we will learn about how odors affect

our lives.”

James V. Kohl
author/creator: The Scent of Eros

[tenaciousBLADE]

Great question about

the birth control... I too, am very curious to know the answer for that.

[jvkohl]

Birth

Control Pills screw up numerous things and have physiological effects that are still being cataloged. As to your

question, I do believe so because birth control pills operate by stimulating a false pregnancy and prolactin is one

of the hormones that changes in pregnancy.

Hope this helps.

In theory, the relatively static

level of estrogen that is maintained by oral contraceptive disables the cyclic estrogen induced luteinizing hormone

surge that is accompanied by peak monthly testosterone levels in ovulating women, and their peak interest in sex. It

is the cyclic estrogen increase, which is disabled by static estrogen levels, that is most associated with women's

increased olfactory acuity and specificity to the natural body odor of men. Simply put, kill the cycle, and kill the

sex drive of ovulating women, as many studies suggest.

James V. Kohl
author/creator: The Scent of Eros

[tenaciousBLADE]

Ok, the scientific terms

got me slighty confused but I think I might have got it.
So... are you saying that birth control DOES indeed harm

the pheromone products' efficiency?

[CAtriathlete]

Simply put, kill the cycle, and kill the sex drive of ovulating women, as many studies suggest.

James V.

Kohl
author/creator: The Scent of Eros

I know women who have been through menopause who still have

plenty of sex drive. Probably not as much as before, but I wouldn't say it was "killed". I'm guessing there are

also plenty of women who have been through menopause who have no sex drive left. So, the cycle is no doubt linked to

sex drive, but perhaps not the final word?

-CAt

[zatoichi]

I gotta put my 2 cents in here.

I had a GF that was on the pill and her sex drive was too much for me. Everyday sex, I kid you not and when I

couldn't help her she had this little vibrating massager to use on herself. She couldn't get enough. BTW this was

way back without mones so I think the idea she couldn't get pregnant made her feel liberated or she was just a

psycho for sex. I think my girl was maybe a special case. More mental sex drive than hormonal.

Hmm my hormone

studies is a bit dusty... if I am correct the pill is progestrogen which makes the girl develop the muccous membrane

covering the uterus walls at extreme layers preventing the zygote from attaching itself to the walls. since LH is

the opposite of FSH estrogen makes em horny and LH makes em mommies, yeah they would be less sex drive and more

wanting to smell flowers and walk on beaches and take care of loving creatures. And I think I too am correct that in

that state if you suck on their nipples long enough like wks, they will produce milk. I remember hearing it makes

their boobs bigger since I guess the mamari glands are being filled. just the oxitocina( sorry I only remember the

spanish term) is not present to contract the mamaries but I guess with a little help they will secrete milk...wow

hormones are fun!

So from my POV, I see this as maybe a good thing. Since most girl will take pills if they are

already in a relationship, long-term that is. I know many girls do not like taking it but since they are in a

relationship with lots of sex, they don't want to make a mistake so prevent it all together with the pill. So our

mones is only pulling in girls that are not getting much sex and are fertile and horny. Sounds good to me.

[tenaciousBLADE]

Actually, I myself have a

g/f on the pills and everytime we meet she wants & gets sex. We're together for about 2 months and only once have

we met and not made love\sex...
And that was the first time we went to a movie so I wouldn't even count

that.
The `mones dO drive her crazy & she says I opened up a VERY horney & open-minded side of her.
But I'm still

curious to know what the scientific side of it all is... Are the pills (scientificaly) supposed to make it harder on

her to recieve the `mones and be affected by them?

[jvkohl]

But

I'm still curious to know what the scientific side of it all is... Are the pills (scientificaly) supposed to make

it harder on her to recieve the `mones and be affected by them?

The answer to your question is:

Yes! However, this thread is another example of why I quit posting anything besides research-oriented information.

And here, even when it started with research, discussion took it to individual opinions, which are great for the

individuals to whom they apply, and great for some people who want to discuss opinions. I'll opt out of further

discussion of opinions and continue to pursue the science.

James V. Kohl
author/creator: The Scent of

Eros

[tenaciousBLADE]

Science is great and it

gives the answers we were looking for, but sometimes it helps to add an explenation that is a bit more readable by

people who are somewhat less experienced with the scientific terms. An explenation such as the simple "Yes!" you

just gave.
People should be free to give their own opinions based on their experience - Science is great, but

although it strives to - it is not yet complete
Please don't quit giving your own experience. Specially being

it a more profound one in scientific terms
The fact that other people post their own ideas & views doesn't take

back from your replies nor theirs'... Especially taking into account that your product is one of my 3 top favorites


Anyway what I'm trying to say is: It wasn't that discussion took it to individual opinions, but rather

that the science was put into a too-sophisticated lenguage (at least in my standarts). That simple yes was - though

quite a sad thing to hear - all the answer I was lacking

[CAtriathlete]

even

when it started with research, discussion took it to individual opinions, which are great for the individuals to

whom they apply, and great for some people who want to discuss opinions. I'll opt out of further discussion of

opinions and continue to pursue the science.

James V. Kohl
author/creator: The Scent of Eros

James-

I respect you a lot, I am a huge fan of SOE, and your input to this forum has clearly been invaluable

over the years.

Having said that, I must say your response is confusing to me, because it seems dismissive and

self-righteous. I was trained as a scientist too (molecular biology)-- worked at Cold Spring Harbor Lab at one point

in fact. And I think it is absurd to believe that science does not include opinions. Is that what you were trying to

say?

Scientists are some of the most opinionated, arguementative people I've met. There is constant debate in

scientific journals based on opinion. Interpretation of data and results always involves judgment and opinion at

some level. Science is not pure or objective. Science is a human paradigm, and humans are by nature subjective.



And no less so when you are dealing with the effects of chemicals on human behvior. This is anything but

objective. Even randomized, double-blind studies are subject to interpretation. The conclusions of any research are

never fact, but are the opinion of the researcher--theoretically they are based on pure logic, but if that were the

case we wouldn't have so much debate in every field of science.

We could take this into a whole debate over

epistemology (how we know what we know), but actually I don't even think we were giving opinions anyway. We were

describing anecdotal evidence that seems to contradict the science you were sharing, and we were simply asking how

you might explain this anecdotal evidence in light of the research.

The fact is that NOT ALL women lose their

sex drive when they lose their cycle, so we were curious how that fits into the science you are trying to share. I

don't think that is expressing opinion so much as trying to understand how the sophisticated study you were sharing

fits in with other observations.

Respectfully,

-CAt