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    I read somewhere that Pheromax has 2mg of Androstedinone. But here it was it has -none and -nol WTF?



    Wouldn't mind seeing an Androstedienone based product, though

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    I think that was false

    advertising. They probably got sued or something and had to take it out? Pherin will sue anyone who puts A1 in a

    perfume.
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    SoP and DST,

    The newer version of

    Pheromax which IS available here does have Androstadienone in it. The bogus thing that you remember Doc, was that at

    one point it supposedly had beta-Nol in it which turned out not to be true. I think the fact that it's not

    fragranced protects them from the wrath of Pherin.

    Oscar

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    I thought A1 was used in lots of

    perfumes.
    Pherin's patents cover pheromones, I think somebody would have to advertise that A1 was a pheromone to

    get sued. A1 should be perfectly legal to use as a fragrance.

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    einstein,

    A1 SHOULD be perfectly

    legal to use in a fragrance, on that I'll agree, but anbody who IS employing it in a fragranced product is either

    doing so having licensed the patent rights from Pherin (exs. Avon, Natural Attraction), or is doing so at their own

    risk. The Pherin/Erox patents cover the use of the various pheromones in conjunction with fragrances. I don't think

    that whether or not A1 is REPRESENTED as a "Pheromone" is relevent to the scope of the patent.

    I lost all my old

    bookmarks when I fired my old POS CPU. Let me see if I can dig up a link or two to the primary Pher/ox patents on

    the USPTO site.

    Oscar

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    Those were great links. I had

    them all saved at the old site, but they're now lost.
    DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)

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    Here's a couple of the

    patents:

    U.S. Patent #5,272,134



    U.S. Patent #5,278,141

    In both the patent protection

    sought was for the use of the various pheromones in "Fragrance Compositions". Why? I'm no patent attorney, but

    I'll just venture a guess that they probably assumed that they wouldn't be granted a patent based solely on the

    use of what is essentially a naturally occurring substance. They thus sought patent protection for the use of these

    substances in combination with "Fragrance Compositions".

    I still find it amusing that Avon has licensed the

    rights, but still doesn't have the guts to refer to their phero product line as BEING "Pheromone Products", but

    rather bills them as containing a "Mood Enhancement Formula". BTW, Avon does also utilize the same bass-ackwards,

    Estra- in the men's, and Andro- in the women's products that the Realm products contain.

    Oscar

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Sack of Puddles
    I read

    somewhere that Pheromax has 2mg of Androstedinone. But here it was it has -none and -nol WTF?

    Wouldn't mind

    seeing an Androstedienone based product, though
    SoP,

    Back to your original question: I think that

    the problem lies in the fact that the copy for the "New Version" of Pheromax simply wasn't updated to include the

    addition of A1 to the formula. It looks like it's the exact same blurb as the one for the old version. Let's see

    if we can get Bruce to clear that up.

    Oscar

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    Quote Originally Posted by oscar
    SoP and DST,



    The newer version of Pheromax which IS available here does have Androstadienone in it. The bogus thing that you

    remember Doc, was that at one point it supposedly had beta-Nol in it which turned out not to be true. I think the

    fact that it's not fragranced protects them from the wrath of Pherin.

    Oscar
    Doh! OK. So does

    anyone know the -mone amounts? thanks for the links, Oscar.
    DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)

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    Doc,

    It looks like they took the

    biggest bite out of the A-None content to work a fairly large proportion of A1 into the mix.

    It's still a total

    of 5mg of pheros in 14mL of solution. The content of the new version is 2 mg of Androstadienone, 1.8 mg of

    Androstenol, and 1.2 mg of Androstenone.

    That really makes it a MUCH different product than the original

    version which I see supposedly contained 3 mg of A-None and 2 mg of A-Nol.

    For some reason I had thought that

    the original formula was heavier on the Nol than it was on the None but I'm not exactly sure why. But the ratio of

    Nol to None in the new formula would substantiate that somewhat. Something just doesn't look right there.

    Are

    there any "Old Formula Pheromax" fans out there who can clear this up?

    Oscar

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    Looks like many could find it

    a useful product. I wish it had -rone instead of -none. Then it could be combined with Chikara and Edge to good

    effect. For now, straight A1 looks more useful.
    DrSmellThis (creator of P H E R O S)

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