Maker of Masters!! He is real!

[terry0400-40]

"Pugliese" I wonder how long it took to make the name up ? it sort of isnt to bad as it could

belong to an individual involved with serious vaginal reshearch with his white coat on and head down sniffing around

looking for results making scientific notes to confuse everyone blinding us all with science. Whoever made the name

up probably had a real good grin on his face when he finally finished and had the name made up and down on paper, it

is the sort of job that i think i would like, i wonder if the pay is ok ?

Well it looks like

i have to wash my mouth out with soap as i have clicked onto DR Pugliese,s home page and it appears that he is a

rather distinguished person with who has published over 60 papers and written 2 wellknown books on skin physiology

and also sex and longevity, advanced professional skin care and also in 1996 The society of cosmetic chemists

awarded him their highest honour the MAISON G DENAVARRE MEDAL for his contribution to cosmetic research. In feb 2001

he was working with a new jersey cosmetic company on a pheromone product called ENTICE which he hoped to market. At

the present time he is promoting and selling a female self awareness good feeling fragrance called PherAdore that

must be applied under the nose and also to the wrists and pulsepoints, the cost is $69.95 usd, this product is sold

from his homepage that i found reference to on this forum.The Doctor appears a lot older and more distinguished than

i thought and it really does appear that the gentleman has a lot more going for himself than i thought so it is back

to the drawing board for the masters, i wonder how popular this product is and if it is gaining a following, i

suppose time will tell.In the meantime i shall have to take my medicine and offer pennance for ridiculing his good

name.

[silksand]

Most of Dr. Pugliese's

articles were published by SKIN, INC, a trade magazine catering to spas and salons, not peer-reviewed journals. He

presented numerous papers at The Pugliese Group School (which yields zero hits on google) or at estheticians'

conferences. I don't see any paper trail documenting his involvement with pheromones.

His invention of

cellulite-fighting pantyhose sounds nice, though.

I think you can spare yourself the soap, Terry.

[terry0400-40]

Most of Dr. Pugliese's articles were published by SKIN, INC, a trade magazine catering to spas and

salons, not peer-reviewed journals. He presented numerous papers at The Pugliese Group School (which yields zero

hits on google) or at estheticians' conferences. I don't see any paper trail documenting his involvement with

pheromones.

His invention of cellulite-fighting pantyhose sounds nice, though.

I think you can spare

yourself the soap, Terry.

I would prefere strawberries or a ripe peach any time so may i save the soap to

wash my masters off ? only joking, i dont have any even though i am intrigued at the possabilities the mystical

master may have up his sleeve, and thank you darling for sparing me the soap you sound so nice. RE the MP well i

must say i am a bit of a sucker and can be taken in easily at times especially if i am not led by the spitit of

truth because of my habit of rushing in to areas where angels fear to tread,but then again even after my very last

breath there is space for me, ahem its time 4 me to move on so sea ya sweet chops. terry0400-40

[Big M]

Hummmm how about actually trying

the product , And see if it works before you pass judgement . To many Scientist wanna bees here .How about first

hand trial and error ? I've had masters for aweek now , And used it afew times . There is something to that

concoction just can't put my finger on it yet .
I get a light buzz when i put it on around the mouth area , I

feel mellow / relaxed for awhile after using it . As for effects on women I have not used it long enough to guage

any responses,

[jvkohl]

Hummmm how

about actually trying the product , And see if it works before you pass judgement .

This is an

expensive approach. Since most people can't afford to try every product, it makes more sense to check for

references on whoever is claiming to be the authority behind the product. That's why I think it's inappropriate

for Pugliese to cite my work in support of his products.

To many Scientist wanna bees

here .How about first hand trial and error ? I've had masters for aweek now , And used it afew times . There is

something to that concoction just can't put my finger on it yet.

Perhaps you'll tell us what's in

it, and whether there is any scientific support for using whatever that is.



JVK

[Big M]

I'm not a Scientist, nor do I

claim to be. Since you are are A Scientist (JV Kohl) And researcher that is something you can do . But i'm quite

aware there is alot of jealousy with in the scientific community , So the quick bad mouthing of a product without

actually trying said product , and giving it a chance , may stem from alterior motives. After all Arrogance runs

quite rampant amongst the scientific community . The bottom line is before badmouthing a product give it a fair

chance trial and error . I want to hear from actual users of a product before i draw any conclusions .( P.S Your

product SOE is a great product I have used it personaly !
I forgot to mention if the maker of Masters is using

your book too promote his product, without your permission that is a big NO NO ,And you should call him on it.

[jvkohl]

I'm not a Scientist... The bottom line is before badmouthing a product give it

a fair chance trial and error.

The fact that you are not a scientist is probably what leads you into

the trial and error process. In contrast, as a scientist, when I first heard about this product, I investigated it,

and was overwhelmed with misinformation.

I was told by a company representative that they preferred use of

the following chemicals in their formulation: Vomeropherin (a non-specific term for compounds that activate the

non-existent human VNO: and a term coined by other marketers), Estratetraniol (misspelled) -- and TRP2, V1R/V2R,

which are only known to me as possible pheromone receptors--not pheromones.

I was also advised that the

formula was created by Dr. Peter Pugliese, who has a vast array of data on the compounds --though no true clinical

study had been done on these newer "pheromones". Finally, I was told that Lorne Caplan is responsible for the

formula.

Created by Dr. Peter Pugliese, but Lorne Caplan is responsible for the formula--seems to be

conflicting information. But I could care less about this specific conflict when nothing I was told is supported by

either by scientific data or any biologically based model that I am aware of.

Note that I received this

information from a company representative in June 2006, and did the best I could to resist "bad mouthing" their

product. Only when I saw that Pugliese was using my Neuroendocrinology Letters review paper to support ??his??

products, was I inclined to comment from my scientific perspective. Note, also, that I have not "bad mouthed" other

products, despite the fact that few hold up to any degree of scientific scrutiny.

( P.S Your product SOE is a great product I have used it personaly !

Thanks, but in all

cases it might help you save money, time, and effort to learn more about the products before

purchase.

I forgot to mention if the maker of Masters is using your book too

promote his product, without your permission that is a big NO NO ,And you should call him on

it.

Pugliese cites my 2001 published Neuroendocrinology Letters review as support for his product.

And he is entitled to cite anything that I have published. Other marketers do this in attempts to validate their

claims. But anyone who actually reads the cited work will find that it invalidates their claims. Since most people

are unable to make any sense of technically written research papers, marketers are free to take advantage of them. I

continue to suggest on occasion that people read my less technically written book.

My main concern is that by

taking advantage of unsuspecting buyers, the marketers give the entire concept of human pheromones a bad image. But

you offer me the opportunity to present another concern. Namely, if I am critical of other products, I may create a

bad image for myself, and my scientific efforts. That's why I haven't said much about other products in the past,

and am unlikely to do so in the future.

Your comments just happened to draw me out a bit in this

thread.

JVK

[Big M]

Fair enough