Essence of Alpha Male

[zatoichi]

I gotta put my 2 cents in here.

I had a GF that was on the pill and her sex drive was too much for me. Everyday sex, I kid you not and when I

couldn't help her she had this little vibrating massager to use on herself. She couldn't get enough. BTW this was

way back without mones so I think the idea she couldn't get pregnant made her feel liberated or she was just a

psycho for sex. I think my girl was maybe a special case. More mental sex drive than hormonal.

Hmm my hormone

studies is a bit dusty... if I am correct the pill is progestrogen which makes the girl develop the muccous membrane

covering the uterus walls at extreme layers preventing the zygote from attaching itself to the walls. since LH is

the opposite of FSH estrogen makes em horny and LH makes em mommies, yeah they would be less sex drive and more

wanting to smell flowers and walk on beaches and take care of loving creatures. And I think I too am correct that in

that state if you suck on their nipples long enough like wks, they will produce milk. I remember hearing it makes

their boobs bigger since I guess the mamari glands are being filled. just the oxitocina( sorry I only remember the

spanish term) is not present to contract the mamaries but I guess with a little help they will secrete milk...wow

hormones are fun!

So from my POV, I see this as maybe a good thing. Since most girl will take pills if they are

already in a relationship, long-term that is. I know many girls do not like taking it but since they are in a

relationship with lots of sex, they don't want to make a mistake so prevent it all together with the pill. So our

mones is only pulling in girls that are not getting much sex and are fertile and horny. Sounds good to me.

[tenaciousBLADE]

Actually, I myself have a

g/f on the pills and everytime we meet she wants & gets sex. We're together for about 2 months and only once have

we met and not made love\sex...
And that was the first time we went to a movie so I wouldn't even count

that.
The `mones dO drive her crazy & she says I opened up a VERY horney & open-minded side of her.
But I'm still

curious to know what the scientific side of it all is... Are the pills (scientificaly) supposed to make it harder on

her to recieve the `mones and be affected by them?

[jvkohl]

But

I'm still curious to know what the scientific side of it all is... Are the pills (scientificaly) supposed to make

it harder on her to recieve the `mones and be affected by them?

The answer to your question is:

Yes! However, this thread is another example of why I quit posting anything besides research-oriented information.

And here, even when it started with research, discussion took it to individual opinions, which are great for the

individuals to whom they apply, and great for some people who want to discuss opinions. I'll opt out of further

discussion of opinions and continue to pursue the science.

James V. Kohl
author/creator: The Scent of

Eros

[tenaciousBLADE]

Science is great and it

gives the answers we were looking for, but sometimes it helps to add an explenation that is a bit more readable by

people who are somewhat less experienced with the scientific terms. An explenation such as the simple "Yes!" you

just gave.
People should be free to give their own opinions based on their experience - Science is great, but

although it strives to - it is not yet complete
Please don't quit giving your own experience. Specially being

it a more profound one in scientific terms
The fact that other people post their own ideas & views doesn't take

back from your replies nor theirs'... Especially taking into account that your product is one of my 3 top favorites


Anyway what I'm trying to say is: It wasn't that discussion took it to individual opinions, but rather

that the science was put into a too-sophisticated lenguage (at least in my standarts). That simple yes was - though

quite a sad thing to hear - all the answer I was lacking

[terry0400-40]

Science is great and it gives the answers we were looking for, but

sometimes it helps to add an explenation that is a bit more readable by people who are somewhat less experienced

with the scientific terms. An explenation such as the simple "Yes!" you just gave.
People should be free to give

their own opinions based on their experience - Science is great, but although it strives to - it is not yet complete


Please don't quit giving your own experience. Specially being it a more profound one in scientific terms


The fact that other people post their own ideas & views doesn't take back from your replies nor theirs'...

Especially taking into account that your product is one of my 3 top favorites
Anyway what I'm trying to

say is: It wasn't that discussion took it to individual opinions, but rather that the science was put into a

too-sophisticated lenguage (at least in my standarts). That simple yes was - though quite a sad thing to hear - all

the answer I was lacking

Ive noticed that Essence of Alpha Male has ended

up in the Pheromone Discussion area, so we must therefore assume that is was purposefully placed here to get

attention and feedback comments from all or anyone wishing to contribute their own input regarding the material

posted up as the thread starter.

It would be obvious that if a poster did not wish to communicate in a general and normal

manner with other individuals on the forum with respect to their presentations of opinions posted then they would

have the option of keeping their statements confined to another more suitable area that may facilitate their needs

more adequately.

So it is thankfully appreciated that the God of science has thrown us a crumb of scientific

material, that hopefully we may digest.



And therefore become wise and gain an understanding of the subject which is of

an interest, and also a possable benefit to most of us.

[tenaciousBLADE]

lol.. nicely and

interestingly put

[terry0400-40]

lol.. nicely and interestingly put

I only

thought it would be obviously expected that one should receive questions to a post he had posted on a forum of this

nature.

Otherwise the information would have been more suited

to a scientific journal ect........ Eg to be veiwed disected and understood by educated academic and or scientific

minded individuals.

I am thankfull that the Gentleman

does dispense of his valuable time to give us the information that he contributes, but i for one being just a normal

type BUFFOON would have some difficulty in understanding the material and i really appreciate the feedback given

when i see other members asking for clarification on the posted material at times., and this usually leads me to

understand the scientific wording and meanings of the original post.

[CAtriathlete]

even

when it started with research, discussion took it to individual opinions, which are great for the individuals to

whom they apply, and great for some people who want to discuss opinions. I'll opt out of further discussion of

opinions and continue to pursue the science.

James V. Kohl
author/creator: The Scent of Eros

James-

I respect you a lot, I am a huge fan of SOE, and your input to this forum has clearly been invaluable

over the years.

Having said that, I must say your response is confusing to me, because it seems dismissive and

self-righteous. I was trained as a scientist too (molecular biology)-- worked at Cold Spring Harbor Lab at one point

in fact. And I think it is absurd to believe that science does not include opinions. Is that what you were trying to

say?

Scientists are some of the most opinionated, arguementative people I've met. There is constant debate in

scientific journals based on opinion. Interpretation of data and results always involves judgment and opinion at

some level. Science is not pure or objective. Science is a human paradigm, and humans are by nature subjective.



And no less so when you are dealing with the effects of chemicals on human behvior. This is anything but

objective. Even randomized, double-blind studies are subject to interpretation. The conclusions of any research are

never fact, but are the opinion of the researcher--theoretically they are based on pure logic, but if that were the

case we wouldn't have so much debate in every field of science.

We could take this into a whole debate over

epistemology (how we know what we know), but actually I don't even think we were giving opinions anyway. We were

describing anecdotal evidence that seems to contradict the science you were sharing, and we were simply asking how

you might explain this anecdotal evidence in light of the research.

The fact is that NOT ALL women lose their

sex drive when they lose their cycle, so we were curious how that fits into the science you are trying to share. I

don't think that is expressing opinion so much as trying to understand how the sophisticated study you were sharing

fits in with other observations.

Respectfully,

-CAt

[jvkohl]

James-
I think it is absurd to believe that science does not include opinions. Is

that what you were trying to say?-CAt

I specified "individual" opinions, which are based on anecdotal

(i.e., subjective) evidence. In any case, your points are well-taken. At least you know about epistemology. When I

continue to discuss the science, people (see terry0400-40) make comments that I find offensive: "In conclusion i can

only add that we are so privileged to actually have a being of this magnificient magnitude in our prescence and it

is only natural to want to reach out and touch the hem of his garment in sweet communion...."

We could take this into a whole debate over epistemology (how we know what we

know), but actually I don't even think we were giving opinions anyway.

We were describing anecdotal evidence

that seems to contradict the science you were sharing, and we were simply asking how you might explain this

anecdotal evidence in light of the research.-CAt

"Seems to contradict" is the key issue. If people

were more interested in learning about the science, they would find no contradictions--other than in their own

anecdotes. They might then try to scientifically establish why these contradictions exist (in their world, and often

in others).

The fact is that NOT ALL women lose their sex drive when they lose

their cycle, so we were curious how that fits into the science you are trying to share. I don't think that is

expressing opinion so much as trying to understand how the sophisticated study you were sharing fits in with other

observations.-CAt

A woman whose life-long experience with pheromones has conditioned her sexual

response cycle very positively, is not nearly as likely to lose her hormone-dependent sex drive. In fact, due to the

estrogen decline, the effects of testosterone may bee "unmasked" in some cases leading to increased sex drive. But,

as you can probably tell, this is a scientific explanation, not merely an individual opinion based on someone's

anecdotal experience.

And, given the ridicule I've experienced from anonymous members of this Forum, you can

also probably tell why I care less and less about what people think or say--compared to non-anonymous researchers

with whom I regularly correspond. I don't think that is so much an issue of my ego, as it is how I choose to spend

my productive time.

I don't mind spending time responding to comments like yours, but there are too many

people on this Forum who are not the least bit interested in the science of human pheromones.

James V.

Kohl
author/creator: The Scent of Eros

[belgareth]

The there are those of us that

read every scientific post and may ask an occasional question but rarely venture an opinion because we realize we

aren't qualified. Question should always be voiced, even (especially) from us laymen. It helps us better understand

the issues and concepts. Random babble is another thing and I can understand why that would upset any serious

poster.

There are all kinds of people on any public forum. But I think the majority feel they benefit from the

scientific posts, even if we don't feel we know enough to have an opinion.

[Mtnjim]

When I

continue to discuss the science, people (see terry0400-40) make comments that I find offensive: "In conclusion i can

only add that we are so privileged to actually have a being of this magnificient magnitude in our prescence and it

is only natural to want to reach out and touch the hem of his garment in sweet communion...."

James, I

hate to mention this, but, I think Terry was giving you a complement, in his own odd way.

[terry0400-40]

I specified "individual" opinions, which are based on anecdotal (i.e., subjective) evidence.

In any case, your points are well-taken. At least you know about epistemology. When I continue to discuss the

science, people (see terry0400-40) make comments that I find offensive: "In conclusion i can only add that we are so

privileged to actually have a being of this magnificient magnitude in our prescence and it is only natural to want

to reach out and touch the hem of his garment in sweet communion...."



"Seems to contradict" is the key

issue. If people were more interested in learning about the science, they would find no contradictions--other than

in their own anecdotes. They might then try to scientifically establish why these contradictions exist (in their

world, and often in others).



A woman whose life-long experience with pheromones has conditioned her sexual

response cycle very positively, is not nearly as likely to lose her hormone-dependent sex drive. In fact, due to the

estrogen decline, the effects of testosterone may bee "unmasked" in some cases leading to increased sex drive. But,

as you can probably tell, this is a scientific explanation, not merely an individual opinion based on someone's

anecdotal experience.

And, given the ridicule I've experienced from anonymous members of this Forum, you can

also probably tell why I care less and less about what people think or say--compared to non-anonymous researchers

with whom I regularly correspond. I don't think that is so much an issue of my ego, as it is how I choose to spend

my productive time.

I don't mind spending time responding to comments like yours, but there are too many people

on this Forum who are not the least bit interested in the science of human pheromones.

James V.

Kohl
author/creator: The Scent of Eros

PLZ dont be offended by me Big Guy

JV , Im just spraying up a little chalk dust talk, And i am one of those who probably are not so interested in the

hard nosed science of Pheromone research, ha ga ga, But i do enjoy the effects of applying a substance and observing

some of the magic that it can add to a scene.



But you are a good bloke i would say,
And you have your way of expressing your self, I amoungst others probably just reacting a little

as we like to see more of you, and probably un be known to us would like to share closer and some warm rapport with

you.

And i

sure can be a stupid headed little ninny sometimes as all can plainly see,
But in heart wish you well with peace and prosperity. in truth.

[tenaciousBLADE]

First thing's first...

Originally Posted by

Mtnjim:

Quote:
Originally Posted by jvkohl

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When I continue to discuss the science, people (see terry0400-40) make

comments that I find offensive: "In conclusion i can only add that we are so privileged to actually have a being of

this magnificient magnitude in our prescence and it is only natural to want to reach out and touch the hem of his

garment in sweet communion...."

James, I hate to mention this, but, I think Terry was giving you a

complement, in his own odd way.

I totally agree. In fact I based my own

reply...

Originally Posted by tenaciousBLADE

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lol.. nicely and interestingly put

on that

exact notion. So jvkohl... take it easy . I'm pretty sure we all here have the fullest respect for

your input. I know I do... furthermore, I look forward to it everytime

Second...
Science,

at leat such high level science as how pheromones work (and make no mistake of it: I honestly view this type of

science as a very high-level one), is not reachable for anyone and takes a lot of effort to learn & study (you

should know ). Some people cannot afford the time\money or patience to actually go and study that science

thoroughly. You said:

Originally Posted by jvkohl

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If people were more interested in learning about the science, they would find

no contradictions--other than in their own anecdotes. They might then try to scientifically establish why these

contradictions exist (in their world, and often in others).

Some peoples' way of learning about science

such as this particular one, is to read and post in forums such as this. I'm sure you can understand that, right?


Including myself in that group of people, i can say, that we do learn alot from your posts... Yet it may

take some of us some time to realize or fully understand what your answers mean exactly; considering that we do not

have the jargon nor the experience with such complexed and sometimes never-before-heared (through our ears at least)

scientific lingo.

I can only speak for myself, however I don't think anyone here had any intension of insulting

you in any way
Granted, sometimes you might sound\seem\feel a little "dismissive and self-righteous"...

because it seems as if you only reply to people with the scentific background... as if the lot of us who hasn't

learned on that specific field has no right to talk with you or earn your respect\experience\answers. But my guess

is that you might think of our replies in the same manner sometimes... and that the fact that we reply in a lingo

that is a bit weak may feel insulting to you. Well please take these next few words not as an insult, but as a

compliment... `coz that is honestly the way I mean them:
Some of us venture our opinions out of curiosity. Science

is not defenent and that is exactly the reason it still exists as a developping proccess... to answer the questions

it raises up, and fill the curiosity of human nature. I can't speak for others yet I'm pretty sure most here would

agree with me (no offense anyone)... I am curious and when I don't understand an answer I keep on asking the

question and try to explain my question a bit more to the detail. The answer wasn't clear to me... up until the

very point you said "Yes". In no way should it be offensieve to you that a simple word was needed.

What I'm

trying to say, jvkohl, is simply (and sincerely):
Don't be offended by our ignorance. Just try to help us

through it instead
`Coz honestly... You're one of the most experienced people on the forums, and as such -

you're one we can learn from; but for that to happen you have to let us. So why threat to quit posting, when you

can just teach us some valuable knowledge about your field insted?

Well, I trully hope I got at

least SOME of the situation right and that my words helped in some way what so ever. `Coz otherwise I've just made

a big fool of myself

JV, people have made some respectable efforts with their words to try and make you

understand that we mean no harm. Please... make that worthwhile and keep on posting your knowledge mate
It's

all for a good edjucative pupose